eta_ta ([info]eta_ta) wrote,
@ 2005-12-04 08:42:00
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Gender job descriptions
Fanatical feminism aside, I find parallel presented in this entry a bit skewed.
Author of the second quote sees no difference between domestic work and emotional support she expect from her robot - it's all one job description.
The guy in first example recognizes cleaning as a service job, provider of which has to be compensated - and not expected to fulfill other demands.

Problems usually arise when one party to union mangles definitions: when husband (lover/living partner) expect his counterpart in love/cohabitation to perform service jobs unpaid, as part of "good wife/child rearer/soulmate" character. Part of Victorian atavism: a provider husband and housekeeping wife. Again, an honest arrangement, basically a barter of skills.

Too often, however, despite realities of contemporary life, when both partners work outside of home, only one party is expected - and not only in her partners eyes' - to do a second shift as cleaner/cook/decorator/nanny/tutor etc. I heard someone who express her dissatisfaction with this extra unpaid work load to be called "unkind" and even "unfeminine" by her long-time partner.

Of course, different people come to different domestic arrangements; attitude-wise I find one example to be ideal: Lileks family.

What do you feel, dear readers, about domestic duties?



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Domestic duties
[info]shkrobius
2005-12-04 11:39 pm UTC (link)
It is one of the worst inventions of modernity, if you ask me. I weep when I read Victorian and Edwardian novels. For what sins am I denied a cook, a butler, or at least a "man" with the resourcefulness and sagacity of Jeeves? What kind of domestic bliss is possible in the face of so gaping an absence?

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Re: Domestic duties
[info]eta_ta
2005-12-05 09:34 pm UTC (link)
But aren't you blessed with a wife? Who's all that and then some?

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Re: Domestic duties
[info]shkrobius
2005-12-05 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I am blessed thus and yet one of the most cherished of my memories is when my younger boy had a Russian nanny who vacuumed the flat and cooked a decent borsht for dinner. Of course, there was a downside: as she was 220+ lbs, she destroyed furniture, cracked a toilet bowl, and periodically raided the fridge. The literature suggests that such is the universal nature of domestic help. I remember those two years as the only time when tranquility was almost achieved. Reading count Tolstoy suggests that all happy families are happy in the same way: viz, by bossing around someone else.

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Re: Domestic duties
(Anonymous)
2005-12-14 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Russian-born women clean? I was told that it was a tradition for the man to do everything and I've been trying to be culturally-correct all these years.

Neil
http://www.citizenofthemonth.com

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Cleaning lady agency
[info]eta_ta
2005-12-14 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Let's not substitute the issue with ethnic differences. I'm sure if you ask your Korean lady-friend who calls her husband a shmendrick she'd tell you the same thing.

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[info]ryba_kit
2005-12-07 03:25 am UTC (link)
This merits a longer answer than I can give right now, so I resort to quoting,

Устройство было необычайно демократичным, ни о каком принуждении граждан не могло быть и речи (он несколько раз с особым ударением это подчеркнул), все были богаты и свободны от забот, и даже самый последний землепашец имел не менее трех рабов.

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